Emergent Conversation - Day 2
Written by Wes   
Wednesday, 18 April 2007

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The Conversation Space
Well, day two has come and gone.  I'm enjoying this conversation very much.  Caputo and Kearney are two extraordinarily accessible people and their interactions are a joy to witness.

During the morning session in day 2 I finally found out how to make room for the Incarnation in Caputo's philosophy of religion.  In true PoMo form Caputo opens up this path by relying on someone else to open up that possibility (namely, Kearney).  Caputo begins from the stance of the "impossible," and Kearney begins from the "possible" - when they meet in the middle the avenue of "the possibility of the impossible" opens up.

The Incarnation (yes, Caputo would shudder at my use of caps - but I'm part of the Christian faith community and the Incarnation is the event of our faith) is certainly the impossible becoming possible - God in the flesh is an insanity that  Christians have wrestled with for centuries.  As such, I do appreciate how Caputo eventually put this in the morning session.  Of course, he immediately deconstructed it by pointing out that the messianic hope is something which is always in the future.  I should have known it wouldn't have been that neat!

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The Abominable Q
I hung out in John Franke's afternoon session, which was interesting.  Two Southern Baptist gentlemen brought up that they wished we were talking more about sin, which lead to an interesting discussion.  Both gentlemen were gracious, though the older of the two did seem to be ready to explode at one point when he raised his Bible, shook it, and said, "We cannot abandon our foundation, the Bible!"  I was rather glad no one (including me) attempted to redirect his statment there.  The foundation of the Christian faith, after all, isn't the Bible - it's the living Lord Jesus Christ (whose apostolic witness is found in the New Testament and is prefigured in the Tanakh, but that's different than callin it our foundation).  If people had gone down that particular rabbit trail, I don't think we would've had a very productive time.

The discussion on the way we speak about sin, on the other hand, was wonderful.  A number of people in the room were deliberately dealing with people at their core realities of depravity, and a number of others spoke about how even with "normal" sins (my word there) they learned that our language of sin needs to be tied to the practice of grace (again, my interpretation of the discussion).  Our language of sin, however, was deconstructed.  Others pointed out that sin doesn't have the emotional impact that many in Christian circles think it possesses, and I pointed out that the word sin has been comicially deconstructed to the point of being used to sell cinnamon buns at the mall ("Cinfully Delicious").  The best example, however, of why the "traditional" use of sin language is in need of destruction came from a friend of mine from the Philly cohort, "Jesus didn't walk up to this disciples and say, 'You suck, and you need to follow me so that you can suck less!'"  That line is so brilliantly etched in my brain now that I've walked up to some of my friends and said, "You know, you suck, and you need to follow Jesus so you can suck less!"  (Don't worry, they were in the session with me).

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Cool License Plate
Anyway, day 2 was a lot of fun.  I need to get the link, but I met a first year art student who's got a novel just about ready for publication (and he let me read some of it, good stuff), my friend Kevin gave me a 2nd Edition of Cell Phone Spirituality (thanks Kevin), and I pitched my book idea on the theology of CrossPoint-style worship to the Baker Books guy and he didn't tell me to give it up and quit bothering him.  Good times.  Good times.

 I'll get some images up and insert links later, right now the Internet connection seems to have slowed down to a crawl and it's getting annoying...


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 1 3 paragraphs in and I'm already lost...
Written by Melj, on 19-04-2007 23:51
"Of course, he immediately deconstructed it by pointing out that the messianic hope is something which is always in the future. I should have known it wouldn't have been that neat!" 
 
You should contemplate running a seminar or something for the lot of us who are interested but are unable to follow such statements as this. If this seems like a bad idea, could you at least point me in the direction of some good books? 
 
"Jesus didn't walk up to this disciples and say, 'You suck, and you need to follow me so that you can suck less!'" 
 
And this is the funniest statement ever!
 2 Seminar...
Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it , on 21-04-2007 22:45
I suppose we could do something - but I think it would be a waste of time for you. I'll get you some books to read - but you live in this world so eventually you'd just say, "Oh, gee, that's it. Why didn't you just say?" 
 
In the instance I'm using it above - "deconstruction" means that all of our ideas, notions, beliefs, and so on are open for (ruthless?) critique. We never have "reality," we only have our take on reality - and therefor should hold our notions as usefully, and loosely, as possible. 
 
The "impossible" is Caputo's broadest description of the divine. It means that God (and this is a wonderfully Christian notion), is unknowable in God's essence. God's beyond us. Caputo, however, doesn't ever leave room for an incarnation (God in the flesh) because the moment the impossible becomes flesh, it no longer impossible. That's my big critique of his work (wonderful and worth reading as it is) for use in Christianity. We NEED to wrestle with his stuff, and that's enjoyable to do let me tell you, but in the end we point to Jesus and say, "Here is the impossible among us - God in the flesh." And we also say, with those who have gone before us, "This is the mystery of faith: Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again." So the messianic hope will have a resolution (which is not what Caputo says), but we don't live in that resolution yet (which is like what Caputo says). 
 
Still want that book list?

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